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Some recent examples of requests for help from members of the public.

20 inch Seder Plate

Enquiry

 

Good Afternoon, This platter can be traced back to my great grandparents. The background, as told to me, is that our family escaped from France to Germany, to escape persecution against our Jewish Religion. Before my Great Grandparents immigrated from Germany to the States, this platter was dug up, out of the ground, and completed the journey, with them. It was held onto, even when they lost their wealth, during the Great Depression. The platter is still within our family and my cousin is in possession, of this incredible piece, of our history. We have been told very little of our background, only the basics. We are very curious of the age and perhaps value?. This platter has been translated for us by a Rabbi at an university, versed in the old Hebrew. Just curious and hoping to piece a little more of our secretive heritage, together. Thank You

Seder Touch Marks

Answer from the enquiry team

This appears to be a ‘seder’ or Passover charger made of cast pewter with a single rim decorated overall in bowl and rim with fine engraving and Jewish inscriptions. The central rectangular motif possibly depicts the exodus from Egypt. 

There are two pewterers touch marks struck on the reverse, a crown rose quality touch with possibly the word “Harper” or similar in the top rim but too distressed to be certain. The right hand oval touch is of an angel in the style of similar ones used in the Flemish town of Turnhout, apparently lacking the more usual sword and scales of Justice.   There is a further distressed pewterers name “ Johan   ? ”  in the left hand rim.    This has not been possible to identify but there was a Iudo van Gasten, a pewterer ( also variously  k/as Judocus or Judeaus) , one of a family of pewterers active in that town c. 1761-1821.    It was sometimes found that two pewterers, possibly working together, would both strike their touches on an item.   

Jews were prohibited from membership of the Continental Pewterers Guilds but many were employed by them..  Seder dishes were often engraved by Jewish folk artistes and this is possibly just such a fine example.

The assessment below is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we use to answer your query costs us a considerable amount of money a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org and we'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Salt Box

ENQUIRY

 

Hello, I wanted to find some information on this pewter salt box. 

Answer from the enquiry team

The style of this wall salt is typical of those found in the Low Countries. It was probably made in the 20th century with the hallmarks of the English pewterers Townsend & Compton (working 1784-1802 in London) added to give it a sense of gravitas

 

The assessment above is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we use to answer your query costs us a considerable amount of money a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org and we'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Dutch Plate

Enquiry

I have a plate that is 9 3/8 inches across the centre. It was my mother's who is of Dutch ancestry.

 

Attached are pictures of the front and the markings on the back. Wondering if you can provide any information about it.

Dutch Plate Marks

Answer from the enquiry team

Your mother’s plate was made in Dresden by Carl Wilhelm Simon who taught by his father and became a master25 March 1793 and died 1814. The 1708 date on his touch probably relates to the founding of the local pewterers guild.

I hope you enjoy owning this part of your family’s story.

The assessment above is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

 Whilst our service is free, the database we use to answer your query costs us a considerable amount of money a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org and we'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Gerhard piece

ENQUIRY

 

 

Please could you advise me as to who Gerhard was and where I can find out some more information please?

Any help would gratefully appreciated and will build up my knowledge of all types of metal, not just copper and brass.

 

Gerhardi Mark

Answer from the enquiry team

 

This is an Art Nouveau piece made in Germany during the first few years of the 20th century by Gerhardi & Co; a firm started   in the year 1800 by Richard Gerhardi  in Lüdenscheid

The assessment above is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we use to answer your query costs us a considerable amount of money a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org and we'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Hipflask

ENQUIRY

 

Dear Sir or Madam

 

I am from Minnesota, USA, and I have this pewter flask. I was hoping you might be able to help me out with some questions I have. It’s about 3 inches by 4 inches. I have included pictures on the markings on the front and back. I can take more, if it helps.

I was of course wondering about the history of it, but also… is it possible that the pewter contains lead? And if it doesn’t, and I wanted to use it, how would I best go about cleaning?

Hipflask base marks

Answer from the enquiry team

Thanks for your enquiry on the 5th July about your pewter flask.

This was made by I. Gibson & Sons Ltd., Sheffield, England in the late 20th century. It carries their touch mark and the marks of the Association of British Pewter Craftsmen. As it has the sea horse mark, this puts the date of manufacture to after 1980. With this late date, it would be made with a lead free alloy of tin so you can put it to good use! We have notes on our website about cleaning but these are aimed at the outside of antique pewter pieces.

The assessment above is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we use to answer your query costs us a considerable amount of money a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org and we'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Small bulbous measure

ENQUIRY

Hello Pewter Society

I have come across a 1/2 GILL Tankard and have been trying very hard to research some information about it. I was using your site for some research and saw that you offered some help with identification, if at all possible, I would really appreciate some assistance. 

 

-The item appears to be pewter and is about 2 1/2 inches long and about 2 inches wide (without the handle). I have been trying to research its origins but have not found an exact match, the closest I can find is a possible match to Glamorgan County 1879 but it is difficult to make the numbers out under the VR. There is also something stamped left of that which I cannot make out, it appears to be a Q and either an L or an O that did not stamp all the way. 

-Inside of the item is an 8 over a crown over an X. There is also a large amount of numbers stamped on the bottom ring 01, 02, 03, 04, etc. 

- I found this item in a thrift store in Myrtle Beach. There is a large community of retirees in the area, I suspect that is where it came from.

 

Bulbous measure marks

Answer from the enquiry team

Your item is an imperial bulbous measure that would have been used in the licensed trade in Wales - typically for serving spirits (imperial capacity 2.5 fl oz or 71ml).

The mark in the base shows it was made by James Yates, Birmingham and the 8 is believed to be the ref no for the actual workman who cast it. They worked from 1860- 1899.

To comply with the Weights and measures act all wares in the trade had to be checked for compliance by an approved inspector. hence the VR 289? mark which was as you correctly state used by Glamorgan County from 1879.

All the numbers on the underside represent the year the item was reinspected - eg 02 stands for 1902. The proliferation of numbers suggests your measure was a late Victorian piece.

The assessment above is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we use to answer your query costs us a considerable amount of money a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org and we'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Alderson Mug

ENQUIRY

 

Dear Pewter Society,

Would you be able to identify the marks on this Pewter Jug please.

 

Does it say ‘VR’ or ‘WR’ under the crown ?

 

The height is 15cms, base diameter 12cms, top diameter 10cms.

 

Alderson Marks

Answer from the enquiry team

Thank you for your enquiry.

it is certainly a genuine early nineteenth century mug but identifying it is not totally straightforward.

I would date it between 1820 and 1840. The W1V mark suggests the later date of the period but could have been added later.

The V or W question is also tricky but it is very unusual to have a crowned VR mark in this period so I have concluded its a WR mark supporting the earlier date.

The 3 lion passant hallmark was used by the Alderson of London family on imperial post 1826 wares. My only doubt is the spacing of the lion marks as they are normally closer together on recorded examples. If it is the latter you should be able to spot a mark inside on top of the base - commonly a circular mark with ALDERSON stamped in clear text.

So given all my qualifications my best assessment is that it was made by M Alderson & Co in London who worked from 1821 to 1832.

 

The assessment above is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we use to answer your query costs us a considerable amount of money a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org and we'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.